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Dee
05-18-2006, 04:20 AM
I think the notion of raising animals for killing sport is appalling. Would I, could I club a seal pup to death? No I could not.

However, in the category of the seal harvest being "wrong" just because white men condemn it, I must disagree. If you look beyond the media hype and sensationalism, the negative "celebrity" spin, you will find that seal hunting is a deep-rooted part of the Inuit way of life in the north of Canada.

If you object to cultures living out their traditions then read no further.



Seal is a main food in our diet. Hunting seal is part of a healthy and traditional way of life. Seal meat and organs provide us with an excellent source of protein, iron and some B vitamins. Seal liver and blubber are an excellent source of vitamin A and contain some vitamin C.

What we know about Seal:
Elders tell us that seal is a "special food" for our people. Seal meat and organs keep us healthy and help to keep us warm. Seal is also used as a medicine to heal the body and soul from sickness. Almost all parts of the seal are eaten. The skin and other parts of the seal are used to make clothing, such as kamiks, in crafts, and for fuel oil.

http://www.itk.ca/environment/wildlife-ringed-seal.php



We often hear non-Inuit say "Inuit really should not have special rights to harvest because they can go get food at the store just like people down south." Well that is not really true. Store food is expensive and it is not very healthy. Of course we like to eat it once in a while and sometimes it is very convenient.

One way of understanding just how important wildlife is to our present day life, is through what we call Harvest Studies. We have collected very detailed information about what a family will harvest at different times of the year and we continuously monitor our level of harvest. This shows that it is possible for each Inuk to obtain about one kilogram of wild food each day without upsetting the natural ecological balance.

The food we obtain from hunting, or what we call country food, contributes to our health and it gives us a sense of wellness by providing us with a way to participate in our culture. It is while hunting and living on the land that our elders teach responsibility and the skills that give us confidence.

The time we spend on the land helps restore our inner harmony and balance. It also helps maintain our mental and physical well being. Much of the time we spend with our family and friends happens while we are out hunting, preparing the country foods, and taking part in meals. Eating land foods helps us to feel whole. It keeps us "in tune" with nature.

http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Inuit_Haida/inuit/English/Our_culture/country_foods/country_foods.html



While our research shows that young Inuit have a different level of involvement in subsistence hunting than older hunters, many of them are still involved as much as time, money, circumstance, and knowledge allow. Some of them are even increasing their involvement as they mature and their parents become infirm. Since economic and political circumstances have changed so dramatically in contemporary northern society, it is perhaps unfair to judge these young hunters, both active and occasional, by the standards of their parents and grandparents who came of age under remarkably different circumstances, when hunting and trapping were not only lucrative but the only viable economic options available to them. On the surface, subsistence hunting will never appear to be as important to young Inuit as it was for members of this older generation. The real issue is not how often young people go out, but whether they go out at all and what it means to them and their community when they do go out hunting. We believe that subsistence hunting continues to be an economically viable activity, but any examination of the importance of subsistence hunting should also consider socially beneficial factors related to Inuit identity, mental health, and self esteem.

As one of our informants who decided to start trapping again said:

I haven’t been trapping since 1979 and I really miss it. I used to run a trapline with my Dad down Prince Albert Sound. I was always impressed with how my Dad always knew where the traps were even though it might be dark out. Sometimes, I would get disoriented but my Dad would not. This year, I’m trapping because I really want to do it. I’m going to skin my own foxes. I’m not going to give them to my Mom. I’ve decided that this is something that I want to do myself.

(P.K.,13 November 1992, Biweekly Interview)

http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic48-1-31.pdf

Agnes
05-18-2006, 04:38 AM
I think the first line in this article is the main one: "Seal is a main food in our diet." They don't kill seals for fun nor do they kill too much of them. They kill them out of necessity (I can very much imagine the food in the stores isn't too healthy). I don't object to that, even though I'm a vegetarian. The reason I am, is that we, at least in Western society, don't respect our animals anymore. We put hormones in their food so they grow fast and really fat (anyone ever noticed that organic meat tastes much 'meatier'?), we decide to give them enough space to narrowly not get stuck between the bars on all sides, and slaughter more of them than we can eat (anyone ever worked in a supermarket? Remember how much meat is thrown away?). THAT I object to.

When the Inuit kill too many seals because they want to sell the furs to wealthy idiots, then I'll raise my voice. For now I say; please allow the Inuit their customs and diet, I think they often respect the land and its inhabitants more than we do.

dutchcloggie
05-18-2006, 05:05 AM
So those 'green' people rather see Inuits driving miles and miles to get some canned food? How is that good for mother nature?

It would all be much better if we allow people like Inuit to hunt their food the way they do. That way, there is much more balance in nature.

Hunting for fun is wrong. Hunting for food is fine by me.

gisli
05-18-2006, 06:05 AM
Dee, thank you for posting this, as a person that is raised in a fishermans society I sometimes "feel" with the people who become "victims" of this kind of sensationalism.

Dee
05-18-2006, 06:10 AM
Hunting for fun is wrong. Hunting for food is fine by me.

I completely agree Dutchcloggie, be it hunting for sport or for profit.

I just find it unfair to paint an entire activity with the same wide brush, or to mix apples and oranges while doing so. I am far more concerned with the humane treatment of humans, but believe animals also have a place on this planet, and deserve respect from us.

snakegrl
05-18-2006, 08:23 AM
Thank you for such an excellent post. You have illustrated the huge difference between hunting and killing. Although I do not hunt, I don't condemn anyone who does provided they don't have a "Bubba" mentality.
I have seen over and overpeople taking a bad shot just so their buddies won't think them a wimp. Who needs a 12-point buck's head nailed to the wall? That action only depletes good genes from the pool. It serves nor honors nothing.
And since we have altered the planet, it is neccesary to keep certain populations in check. Too bad we don't do the same with our own species.

Anges is right. Humans,in general, don't respect animals, or much else for that matter. We are so disconnected from anything natural, including ourselves. We have mostly forgotten old ways, before TV's, the media, ect.. told us how to live. I wonder about our future every time I see a child scream in fear of an animal.
Native peoples have much to teach.

Dee
05-18-2006, 12:13 PM
I believe, Snakegrl, that the white Anglo Saxon foreigners (mainly Europeans) who came and invaded the Americas have managed to fairly destroy the environment of it in a mere 200 years. Whereas the aboriginal peoples, who lived here for thousands of years before them, have a healthier reverence and respect for the Earth, and have been tragically made part of what I consider the slaughter of the "new" world. It wasn’t new to them, only the so-called explorers.

Des
05-18-2006, 12:18 PM
Couldn’t agree more Dee.

Let's all return to the old ways. I could cope quite nicely without internet forums lol.

Dee
05-18-2006, 12:31 PM
LOL Yah okay. Good luck with that. ;)

snakegrl
05-18-2006, 01:05 PM
Yes Dee, you are correct. Even the name of my ancestors has been corrupted from Mawmee to Miami. You can imagine the confusion.
But, let's not point fingers.
Every group of people throughout time have done something innapropriate.
We live now, in this time.
How can each one of us do things differently?

soulMerlin
05-18-2006, 05:46 PM
thank you for a very sensible topic. I think one of the greatest things a person can do is...Accept

all the best

henry

Dee
05-19-2006, 03:47 AM
Yes Dee, you are correct. Even the name of my ancestors has been corrupted from Mawmee to Miami. You can imagine the confusion.
But, let's not point fingers.
Every group of people throughout time have done something innapropriate.
We live now, in this time.
How can each one of us do things differently?

I wasn't pointing fingers, Snakegrl, merely pointing out facts of history.

And I agree, now is what matters most, and what we do with and in it.

Henry,

Thanks for noticing. :) I get tired of these people who stand on their celebrity to condemn the practices of other cultures. Can't decide what their motives are exactly, but do wonder if they have examined things thoroughly before spouting off.

Paul McCartney and his second wife, Heather Mills McCartney, said yesterday they are separating after nearly four years of marriage, blaming intrusion from the media (http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifestyle/bal-to.people18may18,0,3835916.column?coll=bal-artslife-today) and insisting their split is amicable.

Seems to me that they were more than happy to use the media in their anti seal harvest campaign, but not as pleased when the media uses them to sell their wares.

No offense to anyone who is a fan of his, but Paul McCartney isn't exactly someone I would turn to for moral guidance.

snakegrl
05-19-2006, 09:51 AM
Hey there Dee,
wasn't implying you were. Just trying to nip the issue in the bud before it became one for anyone, myself included.

Dee
05-19-2006, 01:46 PM
Indigenous People
Inuit are a people who live near the Arctic. Their homeland stretches from the northeastern tip of Russia across Alaska and northern Canada to parts of Greenland. Inuit refers to the people formerly called Eskimos. The term Eskimo comes from a Native American word that may have meant 'eater of raw meat'. They prefer the name Inuit, which means 'the people' or 'real people' and comes from a language called Inuit-Inupiaq. The singular of Inuit is Inuk, which means 'person'.

Hunting
Hunting and the relationship to the land are of profound cultural and spiritual importance to the Inuit. The meaning of life for most Inuit is still found in nature and most are at least part-time hunters. Hunting provides a link to the past and a cultural identity. It is valued for its contribution to independence, self-esteem, respect from others, psychological well-being, and healthy lifestyle. "Going out on the land" is a means of spiritual renewal after the long, cold, dark winter and a method of re-establishing the ancient connection to the land that has sustained them for thousands of years. A sense of personal pride and fulfillment is gained from providing food for family and sharing with others in accordance with age-old tradition.

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/arctic/inuit/people.htm

Curse our arrogance!

Des
05-19-2006, 02:12 PM
Is this what happens when we as humans have lesser or greater instinctive sides of the physical 'V' intelligence? Our physical wants to survive as an animal does in the wild. And yet our intelligence makes us think it’s inhumane to kill for food.

Dee
05-19-2006, 02:25 PM
Cannot answer your question Des, but "Hunting and the relationship to the land are of profound cultural and spiritual importance to the Inuit," tells me there is a profound difference between this cultural practice and slaughter for profit.

Ask me which practice I have more respect for, and it's theirs, hands down!

snakegrl
05-20-2006, 10:23 AM
Excuse my computer ineptness, I haven't figured out how to do "quotes".
Dee, you mentioned Inuits called themselves "the people". This is typical of most native peoples throughout the Americas. Another variation is "the human beings".
Generally, folks thought themselves part of the Earth instead of having dominion, all life were allies, not subordinants. And of course, people being people, there were those who thought differently,abused what was around them, missused power. They were dealt with.
The idea was take what you need, waste nothing.
Sounds honorable to me.

Bat
05-21-2006, 01:35 PM
I like the 'dealt with' part.

ponytail
05-30-2006, 01:37 PM
This thread reminds me of a poem I wrote about a year ago. It recounts a conversation, at which I was present, between a friend and his mother -- who didn't approve of his new girlfriend, whose family religion was Santeria. It goes into an area that's probably more controversial than hunting, but it addresses a lot of the same issues. I hope sharing it here isn't inappropriate.


DINNER CONVERSATION

In that religion
animals
are sacrificed,
throats cut
to bring forth
the most pure
life force,
collect it in a cup
to feed the Gods.
Goats and doves
make the best
offerings,
some say.

You say
you find this
appalling,
wrinkle your nose
in disgust;
then you saw
a dainty slice
off of your veal
with a serrated
silver knife
that glistens
in the candlelight.
You’ve never seen
the animal
you eat.

The animals
they sacrifice
are raised
with love,
pampered
with good food
and affection,
treated
as an honored guest
while they still live.

Their deaths
are quick;
no torture
is involved.
They have the run
of the whole farm.
They are not held
stock still
day after day
to make their muscles
soft and tender. And
the person killing them
must face
the task;
there are no cold machines
to drive bolts through the brain,
no unseen sanitary
drains. What suffering there is
is not denied.

None of these facts
impress you.
You wipe your lips
so delicately
on the napkin-silk,
place your Mastercard
with a neat click
on the black tray.
“Those people
must be savages,”
you say.

© 2005 by Jack Veasey

I wasn't, of course, trying to say I think animal sacrifice is good -- only to observe that, even in cultures that sacrifice animals as part of their religion, animals are treated with more care and respect than they are in our culture. Which was pretty much the argument made by the son in this conversation.

Dee
05-30-2006, 03:34 PM
Thanks for sharing your poem, Ponytail.

I was raised in a small city, where meat came in clean plastic wrapped packages. My ex and now best friend Ken was raised on a farm, where killing an animal for food was common practice - when required.

I could never hunt an animal for food. Likely I would starve to death if lost in the woods, since I have no knowledge of how to live off the land.

Whether for survival, or for traditional or religious reasons, I just find it outrageous that one culture should condemn and try to control the practices of another. When it comes to the annual seal hunt, the opposition seems based on emotional reaction rather than informed thinking.

snakegrl
05-30-2006, 06:23 PM
Love the poem Ponytail. And how true it is.