(Politics) About Sarah Palin

[paularoid]

Hello,

Sarah Palin is not my candidate.

It is hard to believe that John McCain has actually found
someone more anti-choice, more extreme, and even more out of
touch on the issues that matter to women. And I'm deeply
concerned about what lies ahead if McCain and Palin are elected
-- dissappearing reproductive health rights, dramatically
decreased access to health care services for poor people, and a
return to the dark ages when it comes to accurate and
comprehensive sex education.

Please join me in signing Planned Parenthood Action Fund's open
letter to Sarah Palin stating clearly why she is not our
candidate. They need millions of people to sign this open letter
-- people representing every walk of life, every part of the
country, every political view. They will use the letter to
represent to every voter before Election Day the sheer diversity
and the enormous number of people who cannot and will not
support McCain and Palin and why. Here's the letter -- click
here to sign it:
http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/palin_openletter

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OPEN LETTER TO SARAH PALIN
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Dear Sarah Palin,

You are not our candidate.

You are not our candidate because you required women in Wasilla
to pay for their own medical examinations after being raped.

You are not our candidate because you do not support a woman's
right to choose, even in the case of rape or incest.

You are not our candidate because you've cut funding for teen
moms, and for comprehensive sex education.

You are not our candidate because as vice president -- a
heartbeat away from the presidency -- you would jeopardize
health care for women everywhere.

We are teachers, doctors, athletes, programmers, artists,
lawyers, secretaries, CEOs, students, designers, nurses, factory
workers, mothers, and fathers. We are conservatives and
liberals, Democrats and Republicans, country and city people. We
are women and men. We are voters. We are the Planned Parenthood
Action Fund.
We believe in a woman's right to choose and the right of every
person to have access to complete reproductive health care. We
are hundreds of thousands strong, and we are doing everything we
can to make sure you are not elected.
You are not our candidate.

Sincerely,
+ + + Please click here to add your signature:
http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/palin_openletter?rk=A12R_791bWh9W

[Dee]

Sarah Palin is a power mad climber. Or as Wanda Sykes said on Leno the other night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tco5h_ZprMY) (thanks Andrea),

“Jay, I’m a feminist but I’m sorry that woman’s crazy.”

[Randy & Betty in Pa]

Sarah Palin is not my candidate.

However I will not sign a petition of any PAC., including this one that uses such techniques as these to claim that they represent every voter... They certainly do not represent me... I choose to show my lack of support the old fashioned way... I simply will NOT vote for Mr. McCain or Ms. Palin.

In My opinion such political action committees including this one are as harmful to our way of life as the evils they claim to defend us from using extremest techniques, half truths and enuendo... These organizations in my opinion support the concept of dealing with character assasination rather then expressing positive support for the candidate they choose to support...

To me that makes them a part of the problem and definately not any part of a solution...

Mr. Obama will get my vote though not because I feel great confidence that he is the best candidate but simply because he at least discusses issues that actually concern the American people as opposed to stall tactics, smears and misdirection... He is simply the lesser of evils choice (again) that the American People keep being confronted with

Just my opinion

Best

R. from Pa

[Sara]

Paularoid, Dee, Randy & Betty,

I share your fears about Sarah Palin. What I find particularly sad (and grimly ironic) is the possible damage to women's positioning in politics. We've waited so long since Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary could have taken us far along the road towards social justice and more equitable healthcare. Now, we're faced with a woman that could make all women look bad (at least, in my eyes). I see Sarah Palin, a woman, as a forbidding, repugnant threat to our country in general and to women in particular.

[Eva]

I usually am not all that concerned with foreign politics, to be honest. But I agree with you Randy on these kind of petitions :cool: If you don't like what a politician stands for; don't vote for them. That's all there is to it in my opinion.

Eva


Sarah Palin is not my candidate.

However I will not sign a petition of any PAC., including this one that uses such techniques as these to claim that they represent every voter... They certainly do not represent me... I choose to show my lack of support the old fashioned way... I simply will NOT vote for Mr. McCain or Ms. Palin.

In My opinion such political action committees including this one are as harmful to our way of life as the evils they claim to defend us from using extremest techniques, half truths and enuendo... These organizations in my opinion support the concept of dealing with character assasination rather then expressing positive support for the candidate they choose to support...

To me that makes them a part of the problem and definately not any part of a solution...

[paularoid]

Just my opinion

Best

R. from Pa
Which -IS- appreciated.

[Eva]

Which -IS- appreciated.
Always :)

Eva

[hoops]

i agree randy and eva and beth. and i agree paul that the woman is NOT for women in any way. i will not vote for her nor will i sign the petition, because i don;t want my name stuck on something that i may not totally agree with...my father stopped supporting the american cancer society because he heard from a friend of a friend that they were dealing with planned parenthood. had does not know that it is about collecting cord blood and NOT fetal or embryo blood...why doesn;t h know this, because like many, if not most of the christian right, half the story is all they need to know. so this coming year when my family decides whether or not to do the "relay for life" many will choose no, to save from the argument with dad. so an annual event that was meant to be done in memory of our Mother will fall to those of us, who already walk on the dark side. this is another reason why i dislike Sarah Palin, because she says just enough to get the christian right cheering her on... why tell the whole story when half will do eeven better, thy'll defend her later as she comes up with more half truths. anyway, i ramble on
peace
hoops

[DaveM]

I just hope someone asks her "the tough questions" about biology and geology.

[lucille]

I'll sign

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[Randy & Betty in Pa]

I'll sign

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Awwww Lucille

I suspect you know by now that if I believe and agree with something I am among the first to make all kinds of annoying loud noises... But American "Political Action Committees, including this one that were discussing and like the old "Swiftboat" deal in the politics of unnecessary and often irrelevent alledged facts released only to damage a person. I am speaking out about the "Planned Parenthood Pac", I disagree with their message, the delivery of that message, the relevence of the message and the truth of that message... I won't sign a petition against any candiate wether I agree with that candiate or not... Sometimes the messenger lies, and I certainly don't want them implying that I support their tactics or lies and thats exactly what they want when petitions such as this are placed on the ground...

Politics in this nation used to be about supporting a candidate or ideal... Not making moral judgements or condeming a person for their assoiation with others...

The problem with the two party system is that a very small group of people actually select the nominees to be offered and then by hook or crook they will take every step to DESTROY the character of any person challenging their choice rather then stand in the light of day and speak honestly about what they believe is the best way to protect and defend the people of this nation...

Just to be clear

I do NOT support Mr. McCain or Ms. Palin... Or Political Action Committees which take advantage of the loopholes in the law to say things that the candidates may or may not want to sign without the fabbled quote on the end stating "My name is _____________ and I approved this message."

Best to all.... Extra Garlic on my steak please...:eek:

R. from Pa

[gisli]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n#ccmm

.........aint saying nothing......but when it comes to foreign politics http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=przJcUZEAkI&eurl=http://eyjan.is/blog/2008/09/26/sarah-palin-um-godu-og-vondu-gaejana/ it makes me wonder in a bad way her knowing............but then again, what do I know..and it is not like she cant learn to be a woman in a mans world...... http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4483242n

[Bat]

Undoubtedly she can learn, and she has a lot of learning to do!...just don't let it be while she is VP of this country...she can always return(like a bad penny) after she smartens up a bit...that would be scary, though if she ever got smart enough she might even become a Democrat...nah.

[paularoid]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/paularoid/JIMB/mooselini.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/paularoid/JIMB/palin-scream.jpg

[DaveM]

Why didn't anyone just pick Janis? It would certainly make for far more entertaining press conferences. She's got a good staff, experience that only the school of very hard knocks can provide, and she's visited far more countries than Sarah Palin.

I'll bet the Japanese would elect her in a heartbeat.

[Gandalf]

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...

First they came for the paranoids,
but it's not really paranoia if they actually are out to get you.
Then they came for the schizophrenics.
Part of me wanted to speak up and part of me didn't.
Then they came for the depressives,
but I was too tired to care.
Then they came for me.
They came from another planet and they were in little ships.
They imbedded a microchip in my brain that controls what I say
so now there's nobody left to speak up.
-Gandalf

[Sara]

Undoubtedly she can learn, and she has a lot of learning to do!...just don't let it be while she is VP of this country...she can always return(like a bad penny) after she smartens up a bit...that would be scary, though if she ever got smart enough she might even become a Democrat...nah.
Bat, a friend of mine recently described reading about brain differences between Democrats and Republicans. Apparently, according to the source (forgive my vagueness), Republicans are more susceptible to a fear factor which is used to sway their thinking. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. (Not meaning to put down anyone here, if it might apply.) The way a person votes in his/her first election, ever, is a strong predictor of his/her future voting patterns. So even with more experience, even with any smartening up, I think there is little chance of Ms. Palin ever becoming a Democrat; her brain structure probably wouldn't allow for it.

Paularoid, those may be cheap shots, but the very thought of Ms. Palin in the Oval Office makes me want to scream, too!

Dave, Janis as VP?! Though she'd be capable of anything she put her mind to, I don't expect that she'd want such a thing. Maybe a new cabinet post - Department of Artistry or some such?

[Gandalf]

Sarah Palin: Like George Bush, but with more balls and less brains.

Is that too harsh?

[paularoid]

Sarah Palin: Like George Bush, but with more balls and less brains.

Is that too harsh?

ROFLMAO

:D :D :D

[Wildflower Fever]

Watching that interview I realized, Katie Couric would be a better VP pick.

[DaveM]

Gandalf....what happened when they came for the wizards?

[lucille]

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OPEN LETTER TO SARAH PALIN
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Dear Sarah Palin,

You are not our candidate.

You are not our candidate because you required women in Wasilla
to pay for their own medical examinations after being raped.

You are not our candidate because you do not support a woman's
right to choose, even in the case of rape or incest.

You are not our candidate because you've cut funding for teen
moms, and for comprehensive sex education.

You are not our candidate because as vice president -- a
heartbeat away from the presidency -- you would jeopardize
health care for women everywhere.



Do you sincerely believe Randy that the above are just made up?

And whilst I'm in a ranting mood, I nearly put my foot through the TV watching the debate, but as I presently am nursing two broken toes, thought it may be prudent not to do so. Bloody McCain and his POW bullshit - it came out right at the end. This is a Navy pilot who has crashed three planes, and apparently this is how he was captured - by crashing yet another plane. I want someone to ask him how many fellow travellers came down with him, and were also imprisoned. Apart from the fact of the cost of the planes he wrecked. Not knowing whether he was a single passenger in the plane, I don't know.

And then Obama spoilt it for me when he said that the United States "was the best country in the world". Let me tell you I feel much safer in Oz - particularly in airports where I doubt I will ever be told "you could end up in prison in this state for blaspheming" (I was at the Atlanta arport). How the **** does Obama know when all he has to compare it with is Kenya, and Indonesia (or where ever).

Then again, maybe because my toes are particularly painful tonight as I have been on my feet all day, and that along with the fact that I have lost a huge amount of my superannuation because of Wall Street greed, I am a wee bit pissed off.

I am having fillet mignon tomorrow night - a whole roll of juicy steak cooked in wine, garlic, ginger, and smothered with garlic sauce. You (and Betty) are welcome to join me and a couple of friends to dispose of same.

[Wildflower Fever]

They should be careful what they wish for.:rolleyes:
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CONSERVATIVES BEG MCCAIN TO NOT KEEP PALIN UNDER WRAPS

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Conservatives are calling on the McCain campaign to stop keeping Gov. Sarah Palin under wraps as the Republican vice presidential nominee continues intense preparations for her debate with Democratic rival Sen. Joe Biden.

Some conservatives were bombarding the campaign with complaints that it is not allowing Palin to be herself on the campaign trail and in the debate, sources within the McCain camp told CNN.

The New York Times conservative columnist Bill Kristol argued in his column on Monday that McCain must "liberate his running mate from the former Bush aides brought in to handle her -- aides who seem to have succeeded in importing to the Palin campaign the trademark defensive crouch of the Bush White House.

"McCain picked Sarah Palin in part because she's a talented politician and communicator. He needs to free her to use her political talents and to communicate in her own voice," Kristol wrote.

One McCain source said Palin's husband, Todd Palin, was frustrated with how the campaign was preparing his wife for the debate, but did not elaborate. Another McCain aide, however, dismissed those reports.

But a McCain adviser said the conservatives worried that the campaign was squeezing the charm out of Palin were missing the point.

The adviser said preparing her for the debate was "really hard" because the Alaska governor was learning about issues she had never dealt with before -- including those regarding North Korea and other hot spots around the globe.

After campaigning with her running mate, Sen. John McCain, in Ohio, she will travel Monday to McCain's Arizona cabin to cram for the debate in St. Louis, Missouri. Palin was originally scheduled to prepare for the debate with Biden in St. Louis.

The intensity of the debate preparations picked up after Palin's panned interview with Katie Couric of CBS News last week. In particular, her answer when asked to describe her foreign policy experience was widely ridiculed. Watch part of Palin's interview with Couric »

"It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where -- where do they go? It's Alaska," Palin said.

The answer became instant fodder for "Saturday Night Live," as comedian Tina Fey lampooned the remark in her impersonation of the Republican vice presidential pick.

The CBS interview, described as confused and rambling by critics, also led a well-known conservative columnist to call on Palin to remove herself from the ticket.

"Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons ... Do it for your country," conservative columnist and former Palin fan Kathleen Parker of Nationalreview.com pleaded on Friday.

In defense, Republicans say the complaints are coming from "intellectual" conservatives -- not Main Street Republicans, who they insist love the "hockey mom," from Alaska, as Palin describes herself.

"These are the folks that really have responded to the candidacy of a McCain-Palin ticket. These are the folks that are showing up in huge numbers, tens of thousands, to the rallies," Leslie Sanchez, a CNN political contributor, said.

Still, some wonder, if all of this negative talk will hurt Palin.

Despite some ominous signs, some analysts say the the negative comments may actually help her.

"The expectations for Sarah Palin, I think, are pretty low. So I think she can exceed expectations. I'm not sure she can disappoint them," Alex Burns, a reporter for Politico, said.

[hoops]

ok, let's see how this roles out. don;t warn them...let them learn the hard way
peace
hoops

[coffeegyrl]

Thursday is going to be a wild night in St. Louis. Of course you'll need a security clearance to get within miles of Washington University where the debate will be held. I guess I'll be watching on tv.

[DaveM]

I'm sure something will come up which will cause McCain to attempt to duck the next debate.

So far, he has:

Attempted to postpone the Republican National Convention in order to help hurricane victims. The convention came off as scheduled and the police in St. Paul injured as many people as the hurricane. All are being attended to.

Announced that he would not show up for last Friday's debate because he had important business in Washington sorting out the "bailout" which hasn't happened yet. The debate came off with both parties in attendance and all anyone has done about the "bailout" so far is bluster and hold a vote which didn't have a chance of passing.

Is a pattern emerging here?

Or could it be that a deeper truth is becoming apparent: that Washington functions no better or worse whether John McCain is there or not?

[paularoid]

They're going to steal it all over again. Mark my words, they're going to steal it all over again. I just know it. By hook or by crook they're going take it right out from under those that want a major change in the way things are done.

"They" being the neocons.

I hope I'll be proven wrong but I fear that I will not.

[dragonlady]

Paul please be wrong...I don't honestly think I can take it. I'm so disallusioned now, I need some hope and I'm holding on to what little Obama is offering.

-di

[Judy]

They're going to steal what, Paul?

[Randy & Betty in Pa]

Do you sincerely believe Randy that the above are just made up?

I am having fillet mignon tomorrow night - a whole roll of juicy steak cooked in wine, garlic, ginger, and smothered with garlic sauce. You (and Betty) are welcome to join me and a couple of friends to dispose of same.

Hiya Lucille...

I don't disbelieve the details I just don't support that type of organization using those details to rally fear for gathering support for their own political agenda...

As stated I have no intention of supporting Ms. Palin or Mr. McCain for any office of government...

As to the Fillet mignon... Just tell us what city to meet you in... We won't need directions, we can just look for the smoking hotel thats being evacuated...

Seriously though Betty is considering heading to Australia in the spring for an International veterinarians symposium on sea turtles... We'll keep you posted on details as they become available...

Perhaps if your near enough to wng to where she is going you could spend a day and play tour guide...here she is going (We are waiting details now)...

Best to you

R. from Pa

[Baz]

I haven't been able to read every post, so excuse me for repeating someone's else's opinion.

Sarah Palin epitomizes the new John McCain. To some extent within the Republican party, years ago, he was a maverick, thus Bush and Rove tore him to pieces, smeared him.

But lust for power is lust for power, and one accommodates that. McCain needed to think who would distract the Republican Right's displeasure with McCains history, and who could pick up the voters for Hillary who were a distance away from Obama...........the selection was done on one basis, a political strategy that diminished the vetting process.......McCain and cronies were 'happy' that her daughter was pregnant and single?........of course not.

So the message to women, by selecting this woman, is that you are lemmings. You will vote for gender, you, as women, don't care about politics and issues that are the core of the malaise in this country. This woman happens to be the most dangerous choice in my lifetime, with the exception of Barry Goldwater and his comments bout use of nuclear might, and he turned out to be a rather moderate conservative.
But this person has suggested books be banned; she has postured her view of policies on a theocracy, God's plan...........she can't articulate a coherent thought; she answers questions by repeating back the question and then using cliches to describe the answer....'would you have special forces invade Pakistan to reach terrorist cells?".........her answer did not address that, she didn't know whether to say this or that, so she actually responded by defining what a terrorist is..."Charlie, these terrorists, they are a big threat to this nation; they are out to destroy our American principles, they this, they that........" Governor, we know what Terrorists do; how's about the answer to Pakistan and planned strikes against cells into a sovereign nation.

I don't like McCains' politics, I believe he's spent 7 years on his knees making Bush feel good even tho he despised the Bush braintrust....oh, and then he hired much of that braintrust to work for him against Obama. But with all that, which doesn't talk about his propensity to get very angry, and to knee jerk answers and actions, not a safe way to approach world politics, Sarah Palin would be a disgrace to this nation, that a person of such little competence and little regard for the basic rights of people to freedoms of press, choice, sexual orientation, environmental protection is being considered is obscene.
If the US votes this team in, I cannot identify myself as an American. I had a hard enuff time with Bush and gazillionaire Halliburton operative Cheney, but with this, I become a resident of what could have been a great nation of this world, and I think I'd have to see the pros and cons of a Denmark, a Canada, a Finland...........they may not have military might, but they might have an ethic I find I can embrace and call 'my country's" with comfort.

B.

[paularoid]

They're going to steal what, Paul?
THE ELECTION!

This is only a very small number of examples but check these out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyByZx5GEaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadsHqxid8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxuXC4QlMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHkY7sJ4ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1--KHOo8tkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJHmuG8d2bQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7DK3LgiOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WTe8ppEIic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lrFkRHrRDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07oi2G_K4c

[lucille]

Hiya Lucille...

I don't disbelieve the details I just don't support that type of organization using those details to rally fear for gathering support for their own political agenda...

As stated I have no intention of supporting Ms. Palin or Mr. McCain for any office of government...

As to the Fillet mignon... Just tell us what city to meet you in... We won't need directions, we can just look for the smoking hotel thats being evacuated...

Seriously though Betty is considering heading to Australia in the spring for an International veterinarians symposium on sea turtles... We'll keep you posted on details as they become available...

Perhaps if your near enough to wng to where she is going you could spend a day and play tour guide...here she is going (We are waiting details now)...

Best to you

R. from Pa

Mmmmmmmmmm it was delicious - so tender it could be cut with the back of a knife.

As we are already in the season of Spring, I am guessing you are talking about North hemisphere Spring - our Autumn (Fall). In Melbourne anyway, that is one of the best seasons of the year. Of course I will meet up with Betty, but it does depend on where the symposium is. Just keep in mind that Australia is the same size as the U.S. (without Alaska - but we all want Alaska to float away with it's governor don't we?). Let me know.

[hoops]

Paul, it's scary to think it would be so easy...and that it has been done before. and there are only two things we can do about it, and neither one is sure fire...but i think we need to do both...vote and pray ( or hope or send out positive energies to the universe or whatever you wish to call it ) it may not help but it certainly can;t hurt.
peace
hoops

[paularoid]

I've talked about this before you know. It's not a new idea. See here:

http://www.janisian.com/forum/showpost.php?p=77451&postcount=1

[Dee]

If the US votes McCain and Palin into office I fear for the future of your country, mine, and every other country on the planet. Surely people can’t be that blind, or that suicidal.

But, I’ll pray for your country if you pray for mine (Canada). We’re currently facing the possible re-election of Bush-Lite Stephen Harper (Conservative) to a second term as Prime Minister come October 14, and with majority this time.

[paularoid]

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6453

CBS News: New Study Details Massive Voter Roll Purges Underway in At Least 19 States

[hoops]

I'm listening, and taking notes thank you paul
peace
hoops

[dragonlady]

Thanks for the resources Paul...frightening stuff. I checked our resgistered status just to be safe today.

-di

[DaveM]

Due to "family stuff", I was unable to vote in 2004. When I went to the polls in 2006, however, I found that my name was listed as "challenged" on the grounds that I was a convicted felon. As it happens, I am NOT a convicted felon, but close to half an hour passed while phone calls were made and confusion reigned until I was finally allowed to vote after taking an oath--no joke!

The next day I went to the courthouse to see the clerk and got a paper attesting that I am not a convicted felon. It will be in my pocket when I go to the polling place in November.

You all might want to check on your registration status as Dragonlady suggested.