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paularoid
09-24-2008, 01:21 AM
I just got this from my daughter-in-law today and I was <insert adjective of choice here>. My reply is below at the bottom of all this. I'll put it in a quote box at the bottom to set it apart. I took it easy on her and was as nice as I could possibly make myself after 5 or 6 re-writes. Pick it to death and shoot back whatever you wish and maybe I can pick up some ideas on how to further respond other than what I've done. Keep in mind that this is the woman that my son chose to be his wife and I have to be nice. Well, I guess I don't have to but I choose to as much as possible. I don't know whether or not -she- believes this way but I certainly hope not. Here it is below unedited, pasted right in from my email program that I've got open right now.

----- here below is what she sent -----

You HAVE to admit, these are very good questions/concerns! I don't know who the author is.
Here we go:

MAYBE I'VE GOTTEN THIS ALL WRONG - ME JUST BEING AN AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS GUY WITHOUT MUCH FORMAL EDUCATION BEYOND A B.A. DEGREE...BUT NOW, CHECK THIS OUT:

THIS MAN WANTS OUR VOTE FOR U.S. PRESIDENT - HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, AND A BLACK- WE SAW ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER IS KANSAN, ATHEIST, AND WHITE.
SO - WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE WHITE MOTHER AND HIS NICE WHITE KANSAS GRANDPARENTS - THE ONES WHO RAISED HIM ALL THOSE EARLY YEARS?

LETS SEE - HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND MOVED BACK TO LIVE WITH HIS FAMILY IN KENYA (THAT'S THE ONES IN THE PICTURES).

HIS WHITE MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO THE CITY OF JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS FIRST SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL.

HIS MOTHER THEN MOVED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS - AMERICAN GRANDPARENTS THERE.

UMMM...NOW HERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE HARD PART FOR ME (HELP ME OUT HERE, IF YOU CAN):

SOMEHOW, SUDDENLY - HE WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR PREP SCHOOLS IN AMERICA, AND NEXT HE GOT INTO A TOP IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE , AND LATER, INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL - HOW? WHO SPONSORED HIM? WHO PAID FOR ALL THAT SCHOOLING? (HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TUITION EXPENSES TO ATTEND UNDERGRADUATE YALE LATELY?

HOW ABOUT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL ? SOMEBODY PAID A LOT OF BUCKS FOR THIS KID'S IVY LEAGUE EDUCATION.......WHO? HE APPARENTLY DID NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIPS THAT PAID IT ALL FROM WHAT WE READ.

HE ALSO DID NOT HAVE TO BORROW FOR COLLEGE , ALSO FROM WHAT WE READ. SO???

THAT BRINGS US TO THE MORE CURRENT YEARS:

A U.S. SENATOR'S SALARY IS NOT THAT GREAT, BUT THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS YOUNG WIFE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A $1.
4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A 'DEAL' WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER, A FUND RAISER WHO APPARENTLY IS A CRIMINAL LAW BREAKER PER THE NEWS.
WHAT SORT OF 'DEAL'?

AND, RIGHT OUT OF HARVARD LAW, HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO .
WHAT KIND OF PAY IS THIS, WE CAN ASSUME IT IS LITTLE OR NOTHING PAY WISE! OR IS THERE OTHER KIND OF PAY INVOLVED??

HE THEN ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH CERTAINLY IS A LOW PAYING JOB, AND THEN MOVED RIGHT TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
DID HE "FUND RAISE" TO GET THE FUNDS TO GET ELECTED? WHAT KIND OF PROMISES DID HE MAKE?

NOW, HE SCRAMBLES TODAY WITH A NICE SMILE BUT VERY MINIMAL EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING - WHILE OTHER PEOPLE WRITE HIS RAH-RAH SPEECHES FOR HIM.

IN ALL HIS MINIMAL TIME IN THE STATE, AND NATIONAL LEGISLATURES - HE'S NEVER LAUNCHED ANY IMPORTANT LEGISLATION, NONE WHATSOEVER.

MOSTLY, OF LATE FOR SOME TWO YEARS, HE'S BEEN OUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

THEN COME THE ENDORSEMENTS FOR HIM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, ONES THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY USA FRIENDS, LIKE THE IRAN PRES, FRENCH PRES, THE IRAQ MINISTER THAT WANTS USA OUT.
HMMM WHAT DO THEY SEE IN HIM THAT THEY
LIKE?

HE CLAIMS TO BE 'PROUD OF HIS AFRICAN HERITAGE' -- NICE BUT -- IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY CONNECTION WITH AFRICA WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER.

GOT A WHITE AMERICAN GIRL PREGNANT AND THEN DESERTED HER. UMMM....WHERE IS THE OUTSPOKEN PRIDE IN HIS WHITE HERITAGE? AFTER ALL - IT WAS WHITE GRANDPARENTS THAT RAISED HIM!

HE IS PRESENTLY A MEMBER, OR WAS UNTIL POLITICS NECESSITATED A CHANGE, FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF AN 'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT SEEMINGLY HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S FAULTS.

HE REPEATEDLY COVERED UP FOR THAT PASTOR AND THAT CHURCH - SAYING THAT HE CAN SEPARATE THE RELIGION FROM THE POLITICS, WHEN HE HEARS A HATE-WHITEY SERMON.

HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS SIMPLY UNABLE TO CONFRONT HIS PASTOR OF 20+ YEARS ABOUT THE PASTOR'S DEMONSTRATED UN-AMERICAN BIAS.

BUT -- HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN AND RUSSIA WHEN THE TIME ARISES TO TAKE AMERICA 'S SIDE.

YEAH - WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE, HE 'HOPES' THAT HE COULD BE A "UNITER" AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER;
BUT - WE ARE LEFT TO THINK THAT THE REAL 'HOPE' IS, THAT HE REALLY HOPES THAT NO ONE WILL PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER, AT LEAST NOT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.

YOU MIGHT SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND - GET OUT AND VOTE

----- and now my response -----

I suggest you do some research on your own before you send out stuff like this in the future. Your first clue should have been that the sender sent it to you in all upper case letters. That is something common to spammers and we should all be aware of what -that- signifies.

If you want independent resources for actual facts rather than questionable theories then by all means ask and you shall receive. An -excellent- place to start is at FactCheck.org. They're completely independent and not partisan in any way, shape, form, or variety.

http://factcheck.org/

Their mission statement is here http://www.factcheck.org/about/

When I see this I have to just shake my head and give a deep and heavy sigh. This is the type of intellect(?) that has put us all in the truly rotten situation that we're all in now. If we don't change it somehow and get to the actual truth of things then you can kiss any kind of reasonable solution a fond farewell because it's not going to get any better.

Much of what you read in that diatribe above is a result of extremely incomplete and biased (perhaps bigoted) information, not based on fact, based on complete fabrication, and possibly outright lies. Do your homework first.

The -one- section in the diatribe above that's true is the last four words, "Get out and vote." Just please do so in an -informed- manner. Vote indeed but do so armed with the facts rather than biased opinion and innuendo. The future of the country (and perhaps the whole planet) and all the citizens within it depend on factually informed voters speaking their opinions and making their preferences known at the polls.


Did I go easy enough on her but still get the point across? In an email almost immediately after I sent my reply I sent her a link to another independent information resource, 'The Public Record' at http://www.pubrecord.org/ with their statement at http://www.pubrecord.org/about.html I'm hoping she'll actually use them before she sends out any more of this stuff.

mixtymotions
09-24-2008, 02:11 AM
Thank you for this link Paul!

I think your response to your daughter in law was gracious and diplomatic - ever considered a career in politics? :D

Dee
09-24-2008, 05:13 AM
I think your response was good. I ALSO QUESTION THINGS THAT PEOPLE WRITE IN ALL CAPS, ESPECIALLY IF IT COMES BY E-MAIL. :p

paularoid
09-24-2008, 05:18 AM
I think your response was good. I ALSO QUESTION THINGS THAT PEOPLE WRITE IN ALL CAPS, ESPECIALLY IF IT COMES BY E-MAIL. :p
It shows a DEMAND for attention,... usually because nobody's listening anyway because the writer already as a reputation as being a loudmouth that speaks with a forked tongue... so to speak.

I -could- have refuted just about every single statement in that piece with documented fact but I tend to run off at the keyboard and I thought giving the links might be better. I had to rewrite the thing 5 or 6 times just to cool myself off quite a bit first. I tend to be a bit of a hothead in case you hadn't noticed. :p

Dee
09-24-2008, 10:07 AM
I admire your restraint Paul. If I thought she agreed with this bull, I likely would have let her have it, but then again it's probably better to try to keep the peace if only for the sake of good relations with your son.

Judy
09-24-2008, 10:27 AM
Well, Paul, I'm afraid I don't think you have gone easy enough on her. I have a son-in-law and I also understand that balance that one tries to stay true to ones'self and keep the peace.
I think you sound a bit too confrontational. For example, beginning your response with "I suggest you do some research on your own before you send out stuff like this in the future" infers that her opinion is based on ignorance rather than what may be her honest opinion. Not a very good opening tone, in my opinion.
If you would turn it more on "this is where I, myself, look for my information" rather than this is where YOU ought to be looking then I think she may be more receptive.
Okay, Paul, since you asked an opinion then there is mine...hope it doesn't offend.

Wildflower Fever
09-24-2008, 11:12 AM
I think I would have to know more about your daugher in law to pass any judgement on her. That said, sadly, I don't know if it matters what "tone" you use with some of these people. Through various aquaintances, I have recieved many of these emails, and no matter how you respond to them they seem eager to drink the KoolAid. This is just the "candy everybody wants" to consume, and I believe the fact they sometimes send it to liberal friends just means they wish to convert you, but they won't budge on their end.
"Candy Everybody Wants" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCj3A9HA1Ug

CANDY EVERYBODY WANTS
Natalie Merchant/ Christian Burial Music © 1992
if lust and hate is the candy
if blood and love tastes so sweet
then we give 'em what they want

hey, hey, give 'em what they want

so their eyes are growing hazy
'cos they wanna turn it on
so their minds are soft and lazy
well, hey, give 'em what they want

if lust and hate is the candy
if blood and love tastes so sweet
then we give 'em what they want

so their eyes are growing hazy
'cos they wanna turn it on
so their minds are soft and lazy
well... who do you want to blame?
hey, hey, give 'em what they want

if lust and hate is the candy
if blood and love tastes so sweet
then we give 'em what they want

so their eyes are growing hazy
'cos they wanna turn it on
so their minds are soft and lazy

eell... who do you want to blame?

Ginny
09-24-2008, 01:25 PM
Paul, I received the same email forwarded to me from a friend of mine. This email bothered me and I deleted it without replying (and of course not forwarding it to anyone else!)

"Your first clue should have been that the sender sent it to you in all upper case letters. That is something common to spammers and we should all be aware of what -that- signifies."

That's a very good point Paul about all upper case letters. IMO that entire spam letter should be brought 'down to size', what I mean is properly punctuated. Then refuted line-by-line, then that version sent all over the Internet.... this is your assignment, Paul, haha! :p ;)

DaveM
09-24-2008, 02:31 PM
Ask the writer to support his or her statements....how does anyone KNOW that Barack Obama did not have loans or what have you to attend Harvard Law (and why would some rogue state or group, as we're asked to believe, work for the overthrow of the U.S. by sending someone to Harvard Law, then "plant" him at a law firm in Chicago and the University of Chicago for a decade)? As to campaign fundraising, he's been doing just as much of that as anyone else, especially while he was still campaigning against Hillary Clinton (note that no one accused her of being a front for Iran or whoever).

A Google search will yield any number of photos of Mr. Obama's family--and Sarah Palin looking distinctly NOT pregnant while she was supposed to be seven months along. But of course, the audience for this sort of b.s. is not interested in actually looking. This person is aiming at the sector of the electorate which likes to keep sex in the family....and you can bet they'll turn out to vote in response to this.

Even if every word of this is true, which it obviously is not, saying that someone is bad does not automatically make someone else good. Both John McCain and Sarah Palin changed churches for political expediency, for example. In Palin's case, her "old" church was one of those "charismatic" congregations where people pray while giving the Nazi salute and speak in tongues while rolling on the floor, etc. I suppose a speech from the White House "in tongues" might be entertaining at least....and wouldn't be any more worthless than the drivel we get now.

The largest political rally in the history of Alaska took place a few days ago--AGAINST Sarah Palin. This despite the fact that a talk radio host gave out the phone numbers of the organizers on the air among other things. Where was the "liberal media" for the occasion?

The author essentially discredits him or herself in the first sentence of this screed by referring to Barack Obama as "a black". That pretty much sums up the mentality and the target audience. For any number of similar examples, see George Wallace's Presidential campaign.

Wildflower Fever
09-24-2008, 02:45 PM
The author essentially discredits him or herself in the first sentence of this screed by referring to Barack Obama as "a black". That pretty much sums up the mentality and the target audience. For any number of similar examples, see George Wallace's Presidential campaign.

DaveM, if you haven't seen it, please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyAlt9q4t8o It's a clip from Sasha Baron Cohen's HBO show (before the Borat movie). Cohen is Jewish, and in Borat's character here he plays to an unknowing country bar audience. Notice how little time it takes these slackjaws to sing along with him on an anti-semitic song. Although the levels of slackjawery, inbreeding, and intelligence vary, this is the REAL republican base. Just imagine what they think when they see Obama. :mad:

DaveM
09-24-2008, 02:50 PM
Alas, Sasha Baron Cohen quit doing Borat, as he apparently grew tired of the imitators. Borat would have so much to say about this campaign.....

There are a lot of clips of him doing things like the "Throw The Jew Down The Well" bit. Whether it's still on YouTube or not I don't know but he did a sketch in which he went to a Texas "hunting preserve" and asked if he could hunt black people, with frighteningly predictable results.

Wildflower Fever
09-24-2008, 02:58 PM
Alas, Sasha Baron Cohen quit doing Borat, as he apparently grew tired of the imitators. Borat would have so much to say about this campaign.....

There are a lot of clips of him doing things like the "Throw The Jew Down The Well" bit. Whether it's still on YouTube or not I don't know but he did a sketch in which he went to a Texas "hunting preserve" and asked if he could hunt black people, with frighteningly predictable results.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxJDGgF7M_w He doesn't even have to bring it up, the old timer starts jew-bashing right away and even applauds Hitler.

DaveM
09-24-2008, 06:15 PM
I humbly submit a couple of potential slogans for the Republican Presidential campaign:

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain't that a big enough majority in any town?" --Mark Twain

THEY BOUGHT BEANIE BABIES, DIDN'T THEY?

and for the mortgage crisis people, another bit from Mark Twain:

"A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain."

Will add that since it is apparently the business of the American public where Barack Obama went to school and who paid for it, it is also the right of the American public to see the birth certificate for Sarah Palin's youngest child and Ms. Palin's medical records for the past two years.

paularoid
09-24-2008, 07:08 PM
Paul, I received the same email forwarded to me from a friend of mine. This email bothered me and I deleted it without replying (and of course not forwarding it to anyone else!)

"Your first clue should have been that the sender sent it to you in all upper case letters. That is something common to spammers and we should all be aware of what -that- signifies."

That's a very good point Paul about all upper case letters. IMO that entire spam letter should be brought 'down to size', what I mean is properly punctuated. Then refuted line-by-line, then that version sent all over the Internet.... this is your assignment, Paul, haha! :p ;)
I -was- going to do just that but I had to calm myself down first and by the time I did that it was late even for me. Rest assured though, it shall be done. In the meantime, here's something that I stole from somewhere else but it applies greatly to the whole situation:

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now!!

DaveM
09-24-2008, 11:11 PM
It is far beyond the mental capacity of the intended audience of this sort of material, however, as the principal innuendo here is that Barack Obama is secretly Muslim (and of course Muslim="uncivilizable raghead terrorist"), it might be worth attempting to remind people of Article VI, section 3 of the United States Constitution, which specifies that there can be no religious test for the holding of public office. One of Minnesota's Congressional Representatives, Keith Ellison, is in fact Muslim (and...dare I say is....has dark skin) and to my knowledge is doing a fine job.

This sort of stuff really scares me. It's on a par with people who meet in darkened houses to talk about "ZOG" and "the mud races" while polishing the guns they have stockpiled in their bunkers. Except that this is being read--and very possibly believed--by a far wider segment of the American populace.

Wildflower Fever
09-25-2008, 12:21 AM
One of Minnesota's Congressional Representatives, Keith Ellison, is in fact Muslim (and...dare I say is....has dark skin) and to my knowledge is doing a fine job.

Yes, I've met Keith, and volunteered for him (he is my rep). He's a fine man, and his being muslim has never entered my mind. Here's a photo of him with Obama. Gasp! It's a black muslim with a "normal" name, and a black christian with an arabic name. What is the world coming to? :rolleyes:

http://freecopts.net/arabic/arabic/images/blog/ellisonobama.jpg

Here is Keith swearing in by Nancy Pelosi on none other than...(gasp!!!) The Koran!!! There was such an uproar about this from the mouth-breather crowd out there, but Keith got the last laugh. The Koran he swore in on was...Thomas Jeffersons.
Ha, Ha, stupid mouth-breathers...

http://www.theothereye.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/pelosi1.jpg

Wildflower Fever
09-25-2008, 11:50 AM
Show this to the McCain/Palin supporters out there and see how they defend it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP12aNzocSc The last minute or so of this clip is just ridiculous. I love how Katie, as a woman, takes the gloves off and asks twice: how has John McCain helped to regulate Wall Street? All Palin can say is, "well, he's known as the maverick (holding back vomit), and, "well, I guess I'll look for evidence and get back to ya'."

DaveM
09-25-2008, 01:44 PM
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson.

Alas, that wouldn't play on Fox News.

aabram
09-25-2008, 02:26 PM
I just got this from my daughter-in-law today and I was <insert adjective of choice here>. My reply is below at the bottom of all this. I'll put it in a quote box at the bottom to set it apart. I took it easy on her and was as nice as I could possibly make myself after 5 or 6 re-writes. Pick it to death and shoot back whatever you wish and maybe I can pick up some ideas on how to further respond other than what I've done. Keep in mind that this is the woman that my son chose to be his wife and I have to be nice. Well, I guess I don't have to but I choose to as much as possible. I don't know whether or not -she- believes this way but I certainly hope not. Here it is below unedited, pasted right in from my email program that I've got open right now.

----- here below is what she sent -----

You HAVE to admit, these are very good questions/concerns! I don't know who the author is.
Here we go:

MAYBE I'VE GOTTEN THIS ALL WRONG - ME JUST BEING AN AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS GUY WITHOUT MUCH FORMAL EDUCATION BEYOND A B.A. DEGREE...BUT NOW, CHECK THIS OUT:

THIS MAN WANTS OUR VOTE FOR U.S. PRESIDENT - HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, AND A BLACK- WE SAW ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER IS KANSAN, ATHEIST, AND WHITE.
SO - WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE WHITE MOTHER AND HIS NICE WHITE KANSAS GRANDPARENTS - THE ONES WHO RAISED HIM ALL THOSE EARLY YEARS?

LETS SEE - HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND MOVED BACK TO LIVE WITH HIS FAMILY IN KENYA (THAT'S THE ONES IN THE PICTURES).

HIS WHITE MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO THE CITY OF JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS FIRST SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL.

HIS MOTHER THEN MOVED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS - AMERICAN GRANDPARENTS THERE.

UMMM...NOW HERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE HARD PART FOR ME (HELP ME OUT HERE, IF YOU CAN):

SOMEHOW, SUDDENLY - HE WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR PREP SCHOOLS IN AMERICA, AND NEXT HE GOT INTO A TOP IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE , AND LATER, INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL - HOW? WHO SPONSORED HIM? WHO PAID FOR ALL THAT SCHOOLING? (HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TUITION EXPENSES TO ATTEND UNDERGRADUATE YALE LATELY?

HOW ABOUT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL ? SOMEBODY PAID A LOT OF BUCKS FOR THIS KID'S IVY LEAGUE EDUCATION.......WHO? HE APPARENTLY DID NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIPS THAT PAID IT ALL FROM WHAT WE READ.

HE ALSO DID NOT HAVE TO BORROW FOR COLLEGE , ALSO FROM WHAT WE READ. SO???

THAT BRINGS US TO THE MORE CURRENT YEARS:

A U.S. SENATOR'S SALARY IS NOT THAT GREAT, BUT THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS YOUNG WIFE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A $1.
4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A 'DEAL' WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER, A FUND RAISER WHO APPARENTLY IS A CRIMINAL LAW BREAKER PER THE NEWS.
WHAT SORT OF 'DEAL'?

AND, RIGHT OUT OF HARVARD LAW, HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO .
WHAT KIND OF PAY IS THIS, WE CAN ASSUME IT IS LITTLE OR NOTHING PAY WISE! OR IS THERE OTHER KIND OF PAY INVOLVED??

HE THEN ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH CERTAINLY IS A LOW PAYING JOB, AND THEN MOVED RIGHT TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
DID HE "FUND RAISE" TO GET THE FUNDS TO GET ELECTED? WHAT KIND OF PROMISES DID HE MAKE?

NOW, HE SCRAMBLES TODAY WITH A NICE SMILE BUT VERY MINIMAL EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING - WHILE OTHER PEOPLE WRITE HIS RAH-RAH SPEECHES FOR HIM.

IN ALL HIS MINIMAL TIME IN THE STATE, AND NATIONAL LEGISLATURES - HE'S NEVER LAUNCHED ANY IMPORTANT LEGISLATION, NONE WHATSOEVER.

MOSTLY, OF LATE FOR SOME TWO YEARS, HE'S BEEN OUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

THEN COME THE ENDORSEMENTS FOR HIM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, ONES THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY USA FRIENDS, LIKE THE IRAN PRES, FRENCH PRES, THE IRAQ MINISTER THAT WANTS USA OUT.
HMMM WHAT DO THEY SEE IN HIM THAT THEY
LIKE?

HE CLAIMS TO BE 'PROUD OF HIS AFRICAN HERITAGE' -- NICE BUT -- IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY CONNECTION WITH AFRICA WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER.

GOT A WHITE AMERICAN GIRL PREGNANT AND THEN DESERTED HER. UMMM....WHERE IS THE OUTSPOKEN PRIDE IN HIS WHITE HERITAGE? AFTER ALL - IT WAS WHITE GRANDPARENTS THAT RAISED HIM!

HE IS PRESENTLY A MEMBER, OR WAS UNTIL POLITICS NECESSITATED A CHANGE, FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF AN 'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT SEEMINGLY HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S FAULTS.

HE REPEATEDLY COVERED UP FOR THAT PASTOR AND THAT CHURCH - SAYING THAT HE CAN SEPARATE THE RELIGION FROM THE POLITICS, WHEN HE HEARS A HATE-WHITEY SERMON.

HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS SIMPLY UNABLE TO CONFRONT HIS PASTOR OF 20+ YEARS ABOUT THE PASTOR'S DEMONSTRATED UN-AMERICAN BIAS.

BUT -- HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN AND RUSSIA WHEN THE TIME ARISES TO TAKE AMERICA 'S SIDE.

YEAH - WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE, HE 'HOPES' THAT HE COULD BE A "UNITER" AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER;
BUT - WE ARE LEFT TO THINK THAT THE REAL 'HOPE' IS, THAT HE REALLY HOPES THAT NO ONE WILL PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER, AT LEAST NOT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.

YOU MIGHT SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND - GET OUT AND VOTE

----- and now my response -----


Did I go easy enough on her but still get the point across? In an email almost immediately after I sent my reply I sent her a link to another independent information resource, 'The Public Record' at http://www.pubrecord.org/ with their statement at http://www.pubrecord.org/about.html I'm hoping she'll actually use them before she sends out any more of this stuff.

Again, I missed this yesterday, but great reply, Paul, and does this person actually LIKE shouting....er spamming? Again, another one to laugh at. I shall send this to Jeeney, whether I print it off for her or just send her the link depends on how quickly she gets back online.

Take care.

Annabel

Wildflower Fever
09-25-2008, 07:55 PM
UPDATE: Sarah Palin, Katie Couric Part II: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4479049n
Case closed!!! No rational person could argue she is qualified. And yes, I've determined that just from watching this 5 minute clip (among other things). :rolleyes:

MrJoP1975
09-26-2008, 05:55 AM
I've had the same email sent to me. Do not get me started on this email, because I will use every swear word known to mankind to the creature that came up with it.

Don't get me wrong: I admit I voted for Hilary because I'm an Illinois resident and haven't scene too much of his work at least downstate (it seems like Chicago gets it all and the rest of the state is left licking the plate). However, pit him against McCain, and well you know where my vote is going.

Best

DaveM
09-26-2008, 02:32 PM
Unfortunately, the American populace is not noted for being rational.

They bought Beanie Babies, didn't they?

paularoid
09-26-2008, 08:39 PM
Well, Paul, I'm afraid I don't think you have gone easy enough on her. I have a son-in-law and I also understand that balance that one tries to stay true to ones'self and keep the peace.
I think you sound a bit too confrontational. For example, beginning your response with "I suggest you do some research on your own before you send out stuff like this in the future" infers that her opinion is based on ignorance rather than what may be her honest opinion. Not a very good opening tone, in my opinion.
If you would turn it more on "this is where I, myself, look for my information" rather than this is where YOU ought to be looking then I think she may be more receptive.
Okay, Paul, since you asked an opinion then there is mine...hope it doesn't offend.
Not offended in the least - BUT..... my -intention- with the stated subject "Pick this to death - PLEASE!" was directed more to the piece my daughter-in-law forwarded to me rather than what I sent back in reply. As I've already said before, I toned it way down from what it originally started as by rewriting the thing 5 or 6 times. With things like this I think it's not something to take lightly and "be nice" with. Just my opinion and the opinion of others may vary but.....