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paularoid
03-09-2008, 05:22 AM
NOW we're talkin'! Obama won the state by the way. (emphasis below, added by me)

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8492078

Obama wows Casper; Clinton next
By David Olinger
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 03/07/2008 07:15:41 PM MST

CASPER — Barack Obama told a cheering crowd at a town hall meeting in Casper today that he would restore respect for law in the White House by reviewing every executive order issued by President George W. Bush and discarding any deemed unconstitutional.

Obama's comments came in response to a question from a man in the audience who said he worried that presidents sometimes consider themselves above the law.

Obama's rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton is scheduled to speak in Casper this evening.

Both made appearances in the state in advance of Wyoming's caucuses Saturday. The state will award 12 pledged delegates.

In his speech, Obama praised the libertarian spirit of Westerners — Republicans and Democrats alike — and condemned the Bush administration's use of warrantless wiretaps and a willingness to hold prisoners without charges.

"There's nothing Republican about that. Everyone should be outraged by that," he said.

As president, he said he would ask his attorney general "to review every executive order" of the Bush administration. "We are going to overturn those that were unconstitutional. We are going to overturn those that are unnecessary."

His answer drew a standing ovation from a mostly Democratic audience at the Casper Recreation Center.

In Wyoming, a Republican-dominated state and home of Vice President Dick Cheney, Obama promised to end the war in Iraq.

Iraq "was an unwise war," he said, waged by Bush "with an assist from Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. John McCain," his rivals for the presidency. "I will bring this war to an end in 2009."

Obama made light of recent criticisms that he is untested and unready for the "3 a.m. call" informing the president of a national crisis.

"Watch out for this politics of fear," he said. "What do people think I'm going to do? I'm going to answer the phone," adding that he would not be browbeaten into an unnecessary war.

His answers did not please everyone.
He told one fan of the space program that he does plan to cut some parts the NASA budget, partly to finance education programs.

"I grew up on Star Trek," he said and believes in the future of the space program, but "NASA has lost focus and is no longer a source of inspiration."

Obama also drew cheers and a standing ovation on a surprise subject: school tests.

He said he believes art and music are vital aspects of a public-school education. "I don"t want them to just learn to a test."

Many of the people at the recreation center said they are still undecided in the presidential race, but they all agreed on one thing: It's great to see presidential candidates in Wyoming.

"It's pretty historic for someone to finally come to Wyoming. I had to come watch him," said Tom Jones, a Casper resident who also plans to hear Hillary Rodham Clinton speak across town this evening. "JFK was here in Casper. That's the last one," he said.

Jones said has not decided how he will vote in November but would like to hear all three candidates in person.

Katy Cushing and her brother, Brian, also described themselves as on the fence.

She's leaning toward Obama: "I don't want to fall back to where we've been."

He's leaning toward Clinton: "Hillary's more vetted when it comes to this kind of thing," he said.

But on this they agreed: "We're just really excited to get a chance to participate — not being overlooked as Democrats," said Katy Cushing.

Chuck Lundgren drove almost 300 miles from Billings, Mont., to see Obama.

"I know too many young people that need health care," he said. "I think Obama has the best plan of them all. He also has all the experience he needs to be president, despite what Hillary's saying."

Both Democratic candidates had two events in the state today.

Randy & Betty in Pa
03-09-2008, 08:29 AM
There can be no doubt that Barack Obama is in fact a gifted speaker. I have to say it's actually a pleasure to look forward to an election where unlike so many elections in the past I don't find the major issue on my mind is to vote for the lesser of evils thrust upon us by the political party power brokers... That said, I decided to comment here and respond to two threads at the same time...
I look at some of Senator Obama's statements and well it all sounds so good... He will retore respect to the office... But when all is said and done to me those are simply campaign promises... Barack does not strike me as the Washington outsider he claims to be... In fact, of late more and more is coming to light to cause me a bit of concern... Not negatives about his personal life but substinative factual matters that have confronted him that explained I might have accepted but they have never to my satisfaction been explained... Little things, things like being elected by the people then voting "present" in excess of 130 bills.... True, by doing so he has the latatude to say I never voted for that or against that... I think my problem here is (forgive my analogy but) it's like the dish washer that brags that they never broke a dish... They just fail to mention that they didn't wash any dishes . They left the dishwashing to others... On the other hand Hillary Clinton has broken many dishes, but then she does dishes often as her voting record shows... There was a thread asking if anybody would consider voting for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman and to that my response is no... I will vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a known quantity with a record that I believe to be sincere... Generally the negatives about Sen. Clinton seems to be "Guilt by Association" with issues that have fallen on others around her... Has the fact that Hillary Clinton is a woman crossed my mind? Of course and honestly I love the idea of seeing other then one of the good old boys take this office... I respect both candiates on the Democratic side, I just think Sen. Clinton is a more known and experienced option... Oh and she actually votes yes or no on issues, not present... Now I wouldn't mind seeing Barack Obabam as Vice President....

It takes more then just words.... We've been down the "wordy path before with the "GREAT UNITER/DECIDER, GW. bush....

My problem with Senator McCain is that he will cater to just about anyone to get the Republican Party back on his side unlike the John McCain I had respected in the past... He has gone from Anti-bush to a bushlike clone in my opinion... He has started addopting party principals over his own to gather support and fund raising. I stood proud and in agreement when not long ago Senator McCain stood up and stated that WATERBOARDING was torture and "Torture is not American", He referred to torture (and waterboarding as a crime) Now bush even after glowing endorsement of Sen. McCain bush has once again defied the cries of the American people and government by Vetoing the bill making waterboarding illegal... And Sen. McCain stands silent....

Thats my take.... When all is said and done at this point my choices for the office of President are simply as follows...

Senator Clinton

Senator Obama

Senator McCain

Just my opinion.... whatever the case.... Make sure to vote like your nation depends on it....

With respect to those that may disagree

R from Pa

Judy
03-09-2008, 09:01 AM
When I look very closely at the universal health care proposals by both candidates, it confirms my support of Clinton. Given that Obama was late to the game to really pin-point his plan, I saw he had lifted much of his plan to what Clinton was already saying. But, the real breaks come when you look at who they are planning on covering (Clinton's really is universal) and how they intend to pay for it (Clinton's is more comprehensive & realistic, I think), Clinton really moves out from Obama. I agree with Randy that Obama is amazing at uniting people, but I wonder how many people can really tell you how he intends to pull off what he's proposing (of course, Paul, that statement certainly doesn't include you.)
Mostly, I just really wish there could be some way that one candidate of another could really push out in front and stop giving the Republicans fodder for the upcoming general election. The Dems are really getting damaged by all this back-biting amongst themselves.
Like Randy, all my opinions are said with due respect to every member of this board.

paularoid
03-09-2008, 06:08 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/breaking-the-final-rule_b_90420.html

Breaking the Final Rule
By Gary Hart
The Huffington Post

Friday 07 March 2008

It will come as a surprise to many people that there are rules in politics. Most of those rules are unwritten and are based on common understandings, acceptable practices, and the best interest of the political party a candidate seeks to lead. One of those rules is this: Do not provide ammunition to the opposition party that can be used to destroy your party's nominee. This is a hyper-truth where the presidential contest is concerned.

By saying that only she and John McCain are qualified to lead the country, particularly in times of crisis, Hillary Clinton has broken that rule, severely damaged the Democratic candidate who may well be the party's nominee, and, perhaps most ominously, revealed the unlimited lengths to which she will go to achieve power. She has essentially said that the Democratic party deserves to lose unless it nominates her.

As a veteran of red telephone ads and "where's the beef" cleverness, I am keenly aware that sharp elbows get thrown by those trailing in the fourth quarter (and sometimes even earlier). "Politics ain't beanbag," is the old slogan. But that does not mean that it must also be rule-or-ruin, me-first-and-only-me, my way or the highway. That is not politics. That is raw, unrestrained ambition for power that cannot accept the will of the voters.

Senator Obama is right to say the issue is judgment not years in Washington. If Mrs. Clinton loses the nomination, her failure will be traced to the date she voted to empower George W. Bush to invade Iraq. That is not the kind of judgment, or wisdom, required by the leader answering the phone in the night. For her now to claim that Senator Obama is not qualified to answer the crisis phone is the height of irony if not chutzpah, and calls into question whether her primary loyalty is to the Democratic party and the nation or to her own ambition.

Wildflower Fever
03-09-2008, 06:57 PM
While it is true that we don't know as much about Obama as Clinton, there is one variable that makes me believe that he can get his promises turned into reality perhaps a little easier than Hillary. The fact that he is able to inspire and unite PROBABLY means he stands some minute chance to work across party lines. The FACT that Hillary is one of the republicans most despised democrats (up there with Ted Kennedy) means she may have a little more trouble getting proposals approved. I don't think she demonstrated willingness to work with the opposition (or sometimes even her own party) the last time she tried to achieve universal health care. So, I guess I'm going to be kind of an optimistic "gambler" here, and roll the dice on Obama. If I'm lucky, the payoff could be what we've all been needing, and If not, I'm confident we'll still have a pretty competent president.