Looking for the photographer!

[janisian]

A fan took this photo of Dave Van Ronk and me, circa 1995. We can't use it in my book without giving credit - anybody know who took it?
Thanks
Janis

[Amy in Vermont]

What a wonderful picture of you both. I wish I could claim credit, but alas, twas not I.

[gisli]

A fan took this photo of Dave Van Ronk and me, circa 1995. We can't use it in my book without giving credit - anybody know who took it?
Thanks
Janis

Hope I am not to much out off topic here but I wonder why can´t one use this photograph in the book without giving credit? Can one not just say "A photograph taken by a fan in circa 1995"?


More off topic but I googled Dave Van Ronk for I had never heard about him and found out that Dave and Janis worked together on:

1967 Janis Ian

- A Grape Masher With Dirty Feet (Conversation with Richie Havens and Dave Van Ronk) http://www.wirz.de/music/vanrofrm.htm

And found this interview with Dave Van Ronk. http://www.wsws.org/arts/1998/may1998/dvr-m7.shtml

DW: Who were some of the other people who impressed you at the time?

DVR: There were a lot of them. Janis Ian. She was such a good musician. For one thing, the level of musicianship in the folk community was pretty low. So you could be Johann Sebastian Bach and it wouldn't be noticed. Curiously enough, it had its up side too. Nobody got zapped for being too sophisticated. Janis had a sophisticated melodic, chord sense. I knew her when she made Society's Child, before it became a hit. It just so happened that we were recording for the same label. She was 17 at the time.

Seems like a very intresting folk singer, best check him out on Youtube.

[Amy in Vermont]

Dave Van Ronk was the real deal. I have a number of his albums. Unfortunately, I never got to see him perform live.

[paularoid]

Hope I am not to much out off topic here but I wonder why can´t one use this photograph in the book without giving credit? Can one not just say "A photograph taken by a fan in circa 1995"?
Copyright issues, unfortunately.

[Elliott]

I'll take the credit for it! Or just credit Benjamin Farce.

[janisian]

Dave's version of "Bird On A Wire", and "Suzanne", and a bunch of other songs, are the absolute best versions out there. He was one of the great singers of my era.

[Roady]

Janis, any more to go on regarding the photo? Did you find it on the web? Do you have the fan's name, part of a name? Is there a name of a photo labe of the back? :confused:

[janisian]

Alas, Roady, we're just not going to use it - or the one with Leonard Bernstein - or the one with Johnny Carson... a serious drag, especially since I've been honestly searching and searching for the photographers. Seems to me that, if I used best efforts, and I paid whatever photographers I actually KNEW took the pictures, then it would be okay to use these 3... and deal with it later.
Alas, the Tarcher/Penguin attorney says "NO." Too bad, because they're great shots...

[Bat]

Could you possibly pull a frame off the video of you and Bernstein and credit the source, which is no doubt the TV station cameramen which covered the event? I don't know how you'd get the still from the video, but I know someone could...there is one unforgettable shot of him looking down at you and you are looking earnestly somewhere around the middle of his shirt.

[gisli]

Now after reading Janis monthly update and her last response of this thread........Why do I get a picture in my head of the policy towards writers and other artists in old Soviet-Unioin and the actions goverment there used????
In old Soviet it was the goverment and Gulag.....in the States its the lawyers and your bank account or the State-prison.......geeessh talk about freedoom in the land free............

Copyright......???

Is there someone alive who can get angry because of what you write or how you write about him/her????....ask that person to read what is written about him.....if he wants to get angry.....tell him to do so...but publicly so the book gets a lot of media attention and thus make people want to read what all the fuzz is about and buy the book.

It is your book, it is your life, it is your interpretation of the feelings you had of the events that you lived....its all you.......the others can write there own book.......

[Roady]

:( You've got to have a photo of you and Bernstein!! Many newspapers carried the photo of Leonard looking down at you sitting at the piano. No photographer credited in the pic. I'm sure you must be short on time but there is a box in the Bernstein collection of photos, etc. from "Inside Pop, the Rock Revolution." Here are the rules for use:
PERMISSIONS/PRINTS/COPYING Photocopies may be made of photographs for reference purposes only. Before any duplicates or negatives can be made by the Library's Photoduplications Service, we require the written permission of the copyright holder --usually the photographer or their estate. For permission to copy family photos and snapshots, we require the written permission of Amberson, Inc. For other photographs, where no photographer information is provided, or visible (i.e. photographs affixed to paper, in albums,
etc.) we require no permissions. Currently, the turnaround time for prints is four to six weeks.

[Bat]

In law, as in the medical world, get a second opinion. I think Roady's last quotation is valid.

[Roady]

I'm sure the Tarcher/Penguin attorney knows what she/he is talking about. What I qoted appllied only to the material in the Bernstein collection. I looked to see if that same photo was in the NY Times so I could ask someone I know there but couldn't find that pic. Only one of the "Bird's" lead singer.

Unless the deadline was yesterday I'll see if I can come up with anything.

[lucille]

Of course photos could be published with an acknowledgement to "unknown" and "fee pending". This could cover the use, and if the owner of the photos came forward, he/she could be paid the same as other photographers post publication. I am talking Australian copyright laws here, and we aren't nearly as litigious as you are "over there". It would be a shame to miss out on such great photos.