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Oak Kitten
11-19-2007, 09:27 AM
About civil unions - and why they are NOT the same thing as civil marriage. On previous threads I have posted my assertion that it is just a matter of semantics. We had a meeting at my UU Church the other night with representatives from Equality Maryland, which lobbies for legislation to end discrimination against b/g/l/t people. They told us that states like Massachusetts that have civil union laws still don't accord the same rights to gay couples as to heterosexuals. In fact, there are some 400+ rights from which gay couples are excluded at the state level, and more than 1,000 at the federal level, thanks to the "Defense of Marriage Act."

A new bill is going to be introduced into the Maryland State Legislature in the upcoming session called, "The Religious Freedom and Marriage Protection Act." At first glance, the bill's title gives the impression that this is another right-wing retrenchment initiative. In fact, most of the bill's language up front addresses the issue/concern of various religious denominations that they will not be compelled by the state to perform same-sex marriages if that violates their teachings. This is an important point that has to be addressed. But the beauty of this bill is that it also establishes Civil Marriage in the state of Maryland, which means that state will issue the same marriage licenses for gay couples as it does for hetero couples, and will vest clergy with authority to perform Civil Marriages if they choose to do so. Gay couples will be on an equal footing with straight couples, at least at the state level.

Now I am not delusional enough to think this is going to pass this time around, but from what I have been told (I have not actually seen a copy of the legislation yet, it has not been formally promulgated) this is definitely a step in the right direction. The Unitarian Congregations in Maryland and my congregation in Annapolis, the state capital, will be actively supporting this legislation.

Oak

Amy in Vermont
11-19-2007, 11:26 AM
Massachusetts actually doesn't have civil unions, they have marriage, which on the state level is in fact equal ( or supposedly so). They are the ONLY state that offers marriage.

The rest are civil unions or domestic partnerships, and defintely NOT equal under the law.

There is, however a caveat here. Be careful what you wish for.

Prior to the institution of Civil unions in VT, employees of the state (including the university system), and employees of some other businesses, were able to apply for benefits for domestic partners (straight or gay). With the passage of civil unions, some entities, including the state, rescinded that provision. You must now have a marriage license or civil union certificate in order to provide benefits for your significant other.

Fortunately, my employer has seen fit not to follow that lead, and my partner has full benefits through me.

Eva
11-20-2007, 03:37 AM
Oak, when you said you have learned something new I thought you still referred to the hankycodes :rolleyes:

Eva

Oak Kitten
11-20-2007, 06:28 AM
Eva,

Well there's that, too. But I will have better facility at understanding the intricacies of legislation than I will ever have at keeping all those colors categorized properly! And a lot of those shades of color are very subtle. It's hopeless for me. Mr. Oak does all the decorating at our house, he has a much better eye for color (and can also hang a picture straight) which I am congenitally incapable of doing.

Oak

aabram
11-20-2007, 10:32 AM
Well, it's a start :) This must surely mean that other States will follow, yeah????? :)

hoops
11-20-2007, 03:54 PM
annabel, the uh hem United (yeah ok) states does not work like that. interesting
peace
hoops

Dee
11-21-2007, 02:45 AM
Massachusetts actually doesn't have civil unions, they have marriage, which on the state level is in fact equal ( or supposedly so). They are the ONLY state that offers marriage.

The rest are civil unions or domestic partnerships, and defintely NOT equal under the law.

Since 2005, Canada is one of several countries where same sex marriage is recognized. And while I’m proud to know that Janis and Pat were married here, I hope and pray your country will one day recognise marriage between same sex couples as important enough to be made a reality.

hoops
11-21-2007, 06:33 PM
amen dee
peace
hoops