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paularoid
05-17-2007, 01:33 PM
http://www.idahostatejournal.com/

*NOTE I had to modify the url I had in here because the Journal changed it. The story below -is- as originally posted though. The url above should take you to the main site of the paper where one can fish and dig for it if they wish.

Funeral turns controversial

POCATELLO — A grieving community reacted with alarm Wednesday after members of a controversial Kansas church announced their plans to picket the funeral service of Sgt. Blake Stephens, a native son who was recently killed in Iraq.

While local law enforcement officials will meet this morning to discuss the prickly situation, Stephens’ friends had a more immediate response.

“I think it’s just ridiculous,” said Steve Bullock, who described the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., as more of a cult than a church. “(Stephens) fought for their freedoms, and they disgrace him by doing that.”

Others, such as Keith Roice, who owns the Pocatello tattoo parlor where Stephens worked before going to Iraq, said protesters with offensive signs that attempt to link homosexuality with the deaths of American soldiers should be barred. “Our community has a responsibility to say no,” Roice said.

But Jim Blake, the locally-based director of the POW/MIA Association that will lead an honor guard of 100 to 150 motorcycles to and from the funeral service site on Saturday, said his group will protect the protesters if necessary.

“We may end up having to provide them security,” said Blake, adding group members have a standing order not to engage protesters. “We don’t want this to be something that tarnishes that moment.”

The Westboro Baptist Church, classified by some think tanks as a hate group, is no stranger to controversy.

Though the church numbers only about 100 members, most of them related, they’ve picketed a number of military funerals nationwide in the last five years while brandishing signs that read “God hates fags.”

In Seaford, Del., in May 2006, a mob broke through a police line protecting protesters and then attempted to drag the protesters out of a police van where they’d gone to hide. Five people were later arrested.

Such instances aren’t being taken lightly by local law enforcement officers such as Maj. Mike Stayner of the Pocatello Police Department.

“It just concerns us because when you see something like this it throws up a red flag,” said Stayner, who received a fax from the church Wednesday morning stating its intentions. “People can protest as long as they do it peacefully.”

Stayner said Idaho State University officials were also discussing the situation since the funeral service will take place in a LDS stake center adjacent to university property.

Stephens, 25, a 2000 graduate of Century High School, was killed May 8 when a roadside bomb exploded outside of the vehicle he was riding in. His body was returned to the Gate City on Tuesday, and thousands lined local sidewalks to pay their respects as a procession wound its way from the airport to a local funeral home.

The outpouring of community support showed Jim Blake that anyone who pickets Stephens’ funeral will have few sympathizers.

“It’s not something that’s going to be very well accepted in our community,” he admitted. “If they initiated something, that would not be a good decision.”
And while one of Stephens’ friends said he’ll have to fight back a desire to injure the protesters if they show up, Roice tried to tell anyone who would listen to take the high road.

“From me personally, they’re not going to get a response,” he said. “All of these political things that came about have nothing to do with why Blake was there.”

In anticipation of the unlikely, Idaho legislators passed a law in March that anyone who “maliciously and willfully” disturbs the dignity of a funeral service is guilty of a misdemeanor.

But that law doesn’t go into effect until July 1, a fact the bill’s sponsor wishes he could change.

“Hindsight being 20/20, I wish I had (made it go into effect immediately),” said Rep. Eric Anderson, R-Priest Lake. “The protesters don’t have the right to do that. The families have the right to mourn their loss.”

Anderson said he’s received calls from the Westboro Baptist Church and the American Civil Liberties Union since the bill passed accusing him of being “about as fascist as they come.”

But 103 of 105 Idaho lawmakers supported the law change. The two who didn’t were absent and excused at the time of the vote.

While some expressed skepticism church members will actually travel to Pocatello — the Journal left an unanswered message on the church’s Web site Wednesday — Blake said he’s committed to protecting people’s “right to be an idiot” if indeed they do make the long trip to Idaho.

“We’re not out to have any physical confrontations, and we don’t want anybody to go after them,” Blake said. “I believe in civil rights.”

DaveM
05-17-2007, 01:39 PM
I would think that 100 bikers ought to be able to keep a group of fundies in their proper place.

Then there's that curious line: "the church numbers only about 100 members, most of them related". Presumably this means that they like to keep sex in the family "where it belongs".

Oh, wait....wouldn't that be "an abomination"?

paularoid
05-17-2007, 02:18 PM
I would think that 100 bikers ought to be able to keep a group of fundies in their proper place.
I think maybe you misread or missed something.
But Jim Blake, the locally-based director of the POW/MIA Association that will lead an honor guard of 100 to 150 motorcycles to and from the funeral service site on Saturday, said his group will protect the protesters if necessary.

“We may end up having to provide them security,” said Blake, adding group members have a standing order not to engage protesters. “We don’t want this to be something that tarnishes that moment.” They're going to provide security -FOR- the protesters,..... if necessary. They're going to protect the fundies (and their right to protest) from all the rest of the funeral participants. Remember, this is the land of the Mormons and the Mountain Meadows massacre.

FYI, the Mountain Meadows Massacre was an incident where the Mormons led by Brigham Young (at the time) slaughtered a group of pioneers to keep them from "invading" the Salt Lake area. It was one of Young's underlings (John something-or-other) that instigated the attack but the church itself was at that particular time was led by Brigham Young. Details can be found here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mountain+Meadows+Massacre%22

Around here, the Mormon church is a real political force of POWER and they are NOT pacifists in any way, shape, or form as can be witnessed by Mitt Romney (a Mormon) and his professed wishes to "double Guantanamo" as stated in the last Republican debate.

ponytail
05-17-2007, 02:40 PM
What a weird turnaround with the bikers. In most places, their presence is intended to keep the protesters in line.

Is there a silent witness program in your area? Ever since Matthew Shepherd's funeral, there's often a grassroots effort that springs up in locales the Phelps loonies visit called Silent Witnesses. People undergo training and then show up to stand between the demonstrators and the funeral being protested. They have their backs turned toward the protesters and don't respond to them. The idea is to provide a buffer to prevent Phelps & co. from provoking mourners into doing anything foolish for which they could be sued by these litigious inbreds. Our local effort is based at my church, and they've been very effective at preventing any ugly incidents.

paularoid
05-17-2007, 05:35 PM
Is there a silent witness program in your area? Ever since Matthew Shepherd's funeral, there's often a grassroots effort that springs up in locales the Phelps loonies visit called Silent Witnesses. People undergo training and then show up to stand between the demonstrators and the funeral being protested. They have their backs turned toward the protesters and don't respond to them. The idea is to provide a buffer to prevent Phelps & co. from provoking mourners into doing anything foolish for which they could be sued by these litigious inbreds. Our local effort is based at my church, and they've been very effective at preventing any ugly incidents.
Not to my knowledge but that's an excellent idea. Maybe I'll have to start something like that around here. It would or could be a worthwhile task.

Bat
05-17-2007, 05:42 PM
Those people could make me wish I had a machine gun...almost.
I hate the way the Haters make me feel such hatred back at them.
The whole damned Phelps family is a perfect excuse for abortion.

Randy & Betty in Pa
05-17-2007, 10:10 PM
Bat...

You and me both.... The Phelps philosophy seems to bring all people to their lowest.... To abuse the freedoms of this nation makes me wish that they (those that would spin protest into tearing into a families pain and loss) could be exiled to Texas..... Lock and load......

Best

R. from Pa

ponytail
05-17-2007, 10:58 PM
Something I should have noted when I posted earlier -- anticipating a visit from the Phelps gang is usually worse than the visit itself. Typically, their demonstration's turnout is small -- twenty people or fewer -- and the counter-demonstration, and turnout to support the event being protested, is huge. That's what happened when they protested at our church; they had a scraggly group of about twelve people, and our church service was SRO. Their presence generally unites the community they're trying to divide. So the odds are that the whole thing won't be all that big a deal, as long as cooler heads prevail at the funeral itself. Let's hope they do.

ponytail
05-17-2007, 11:21 PM
Well, Paul, you may not have to worry about them showing up in your town after all. They're going to be busy protesting -- I kid you not -- JERRY FALWELL'S FUNERAL!

http://www.janisian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3530

DaveM
05-18-2007, 12:13 AM
My bad--I did indeed read it incorrectly. Are the bikers going to Jerry Falwell's "do" as well?

Recalling the "God Hates The World" video of no long ago, does anyone know if the Westboro Baptist Church believes that God like anybody or anything?

Dee
05-18-2007, 04:50 AM
Civil liberties? Poppycock! What is civil about any of that?

The trick (hard as it is) is to rise above their level and not be drawn into their plan of inciting hatred. Obviously these are mentally disturbed people, but by repaying hate with hate, we become haters too. I wouldn’t give them what they want.

Ponytail, I like that idea of forming a human buffer between them and their intended target(s) and going into “ignore” mode. After all, it’s attention they seek above all else.

DaveM
05-18-2007, 02:23 PM
Minnesota had a large group of Witnesses--assembled by a Quaker group some years ago--who did the mass-ignore thing to protesters who were foaming at the mouth over Native Americans exercising their fishing and hunting rights as guaranteed by a treaty which was upheld by courts in the mid-80s. As you may guess, this brought out the guns-in-pickup-trucks crowd at full rave. The Witnesses drove them absolutely crazy, since no one could get a rise out of them. And eventually, they bcame bored and went away. To my knowledge, no one bothers the fishermen any more.

paularoid
05-18-2007, 03:45 PM
Minnesota had a large group of Witnesses--assembled by a Quaker group some years ago--who did the mass-ignore thing to protesters who were foaming at the mouth over Native Americans exercising their fishing and hunting rights as guaranteed by a treaty which was upheld by courts in the mid-80s. As you may guess, this brought out the guns-in-pickup-trucks crowd at full rave. The Witnesses drove them absolutely crazy, since no one could get a rise out of them. And eventually, they bcame bored and went away. To my knowledge, no one bothers the fishermen any more.
And that's exactly what we've got a LOT of around here,.... the "guns-in-pickup-trucks crowd". If (as reported on the previous page) the Westboro fundies are all off to protest at Falwell's funeral then there won't be any need for anything like that anyway. It's all supposed to take place tomorrow so I guess we'll see.

And as a side note disclaimer I should state and proclaim that any previous statements about Mormons by me in this whole thread are directed mainly at the church(?) itself and its policies - NOT at the members of the church. It's similar to expressing displeasure at our govermental policies and officials that got us into the Iraq fiasco but supporting the employees(soldiers) of said policies and officials.