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Oak Kitten
04-07-2006, 10:21 AM
If you have not seen this commercial yet, check it out. It's great! It is only showing on cable stations as the broadcast networks are too chickensh*t to show it:

http://www.ucc.org/commercial.html

Liberal Denomination Fires Salvos at Right
By NEELA BANERJEE
Published: April 7, 2006
After years of turning the other cheek, the United Church of Christ, among the most liberal of the mainline Protestant denominations, has recently staked out a more pugnacious stance toward the Christian right.

The Rev. John H. Thomas, the denomination's president, has sharply criticized the Institute for Religion and Democracy, a conservative religious watchdog and advocacy group, for supporting groups within mainline denominations that would further a conservative theological and political perspective. And the church has undertaken new advertising and e-mail campaigns to combat more conservative forces.

"I.R.D. is using church members, and even outside groups, to disrupt and ultimately control the mainline to promote its own political agenda," Mr. Thomas said last month in a speech at Gettysburg College.

In the e-mail campaign, the denomination is accusing the ABC News political program "This Week" of booking far more conservative Christian leaders than moderates for the Sunday morning broadcast. The network has called that assertion "unfounded and not based on fact."

And after stirring up publicity in late 2004 with an advertisement about tolerance, the church is distributing an even more pointed commercial that shows people who might not be considered mainstream, like a single mother and a gay couple, being shot through the roof of a church from an "ejector pew."
"God doesn't reject people," the commercial says. "Neither do we."

Critics of the United Church of Christ, including the Institute for Religion and Democracy, assert that the church tries to silence those who do not agree with its liberal interpretation of Scripture.

"In Thomas's case, I'm seeing an advancing case of paranoia," said Steve Rempe, the content editor for the institute's Web site. "He sees this vast conspiracy centered around conservative political motivations and doesn't seem to see the possibility that these people might have a legitimate pastoral concern for their churches."

The United Church of Christ appears to be battling two trends: the influence of the Institute of Religion and Democracy within mainline denominations and the influence of the religious right, particularly its influence with the news media.

Detractors and allies agree that the recent actions by the United Church of Christ signal a growing impatience among the mainline denominations with their far-right brethren and an increasing willingness to take some of them on.

"Leaders have responded strongly before, but the U.C.C. has taken it to a new level of battle or conflict," said the Rev. Christian Sharen of the Yale Center for Faith and Culture.

The United Church of Christ, which is made up in part of churches descended from the Puritan congregations, takes pride in its liberalism, and it has led other Protestant denominations in the ordination of women and on civil rights issues, said Randall Balmer, professor of American religious history at Columbia University. As with other mainline churches, it has been subject to disputes over homosexuality, in its case, a decision at its General Synod meeting last year to support same-sex marriage.

In an interview, Mr. Thomas said he welcomed spirited debate about issues like sexuality. But he said that in his March speech he was speaking out against those within the church and outside it who sought to wreck the denomination. He said in his speech, for example, that some dissenting groups in the church had encouraged members who agreed with them to withhold donations.

"We need to be more active in protecting our churches from this kind of behavior," Mr. Thomas said. "We need to differentiate between loving critics and critics who are looking to divide and destroy."

Mr. Rempe, who recorded Mr. Thomas's speech at Gettysburg, denied that his organization sought to destroy the mainline churches, pointing out that many of the institute's staff members belonged to those denominations. He also denied that the group had advised conservative dissenters to withhold money.

Financed in part by wealthy religious conservatives, the Institute for Religion and Democracy provides information to so-called renewal groups made up of conservative dissenters within the mainline churches. Mr. Rempe played down its efforts, saying it included an annual meeting "and some press releases and a couple of traded e-mails."

But experts on American Protestantism argue that the institute plays a far greater role in nurturing dissent and organizing a broader movement across denominational lines to battle leaders of the mainline churches.

Professor Balmer attended last year's annual meeting of the renewal groups organized by the institute's Association for Church Renewal
"A lot of the rhetoric was triumphalist," he said. "They thought they could use issues of homosexuality, gay clergy and same-sex unions to take over their denominations."

Others have joined the United Church of Christ in speaking out. Recently, the Rev. Michael Livingston, the new president of the National Council of Churches of Christ U.S.A., told a meeting of representatives of the group's member churches, "Mainline Protestant and Orthodox churches have been pounded into irrelevancy by the media machine of a false religion; a political philosophy masquerading as gospel; an economic principle wrapped in religious rhetoric and painted red, white and blue."

Although some mainline Christians feel energized by the new toughness, others worry that such an approach could threaten the very pluralism that the mainline churches have come to stand for and the gospel of love that so many preach.

"I think this is a dangerous place to be," said Mr. Sharen of Yale. "You stand to lose the integrity of 'turn the other cheek.' "


I am a Unitarian Universalist/Pagan myself. I hope the UUs will get on board with this campaign as well.

Oak

Randy & Betty in Pa
04-07-2006, 02:56 PM
Wellllll, being holier then some and less holy then others I can now take a stand.... Religions and religious rites are the right of any individual to select for themselves and not be judged by others on...Wether Islamic, Budist, Mormon, Chatholic, Jew, Christian or someone like myself that chooses to worship dirt, every person has the right to believe as they wish... When however another persons cult (religion) interferes with my religious cult (or your religious cult is where a line needs to be drawn... When I listen to some pompas fat assed old man discuss the evils of birth control or abortion and try to dictate to ANY OTHER person and try to legislate those philosophies on others that they must live up to the belief of anothers persons PHILOSOPHY I find that to be a problem. When any individual declares that another person is EVIL based on their background, race or sexual orientation that is also a problem for me... I always thought religion was more about loving and accepting all sinners even with things one might THINK is flaws, yet the God Squads are busy trying to control everybody elses way of lives to the point of fitting within what they feel is right based on not religious beliefs but social and political correctness... I have no problem with people having their own religious beliefs or worshiping their God in their own way... But currently formal religions (CULTS) are looking more and more like political parties to me... I don't believe God is a sexist or Homophoeb,,, In fact I would bet that God in all of HER wisdom would far rather see people get along and loving rather then killing others in her name...

To those that would judge me based on my lifestyle or beliefs... I will leave God to damn them for that...cause its sure not my job...

I don't think God is registered in a political party despite what Pat Roberston, The Pope or "Jerky" Jerry Falwell says... So much for my religious rant... I don't care what anyone elses God will do... My God will bless you... Just ask Her...:mad:

Best to you and yours

R. from Pa

Dee
04-07-2006, 03:09 PM
... the church is distributing an even more pointed commercial that shows people who might not be considered mainstream, like a single mother and a gay couple, being shot through the roof of a church from an "ejector pew."

LOL :p

Perhaps the extreme Right will see just how ludicrous their extremist views really are ... but I doubt it somehow.

dragonlady
04-07-2006, 03:14 PM
Oak Kitten,

A little background...This is the second wave of ads that the UCC has put out with the "God is Still Speaking" campaign. This one is a little more edgy. The first one was turned down by the major networks due to conflict with the President's policy agains same-sex marraige. That's what they actually said. After a lot of letter writing and bad publicity ABC, NBC and CBS did finally show the commercial. Basically that commercial showed a bouncer letting people into a church through a velvet rope line. Disabled folks, racial minorities and gay couples were not let through. They flashed the same words on the screen at the end.

I had heard that a second commercial was coming out but hadn't seen it yet. Thanks for posting this.

FYI-When the UCC General Synod passed the Same-Sex Marraige Resolution (in support of) a UCC church here in VA was burned by arson that weekend. The way the UCC works is all churches are run autonomously and the National church sets policy that is suggested but not required to be followed. At present only 10% of the UCC congregations in the country are officially "Open and Affirming" of GLBT folks. The one I attend here in Charlottesvilee is one of them. The church that was burned ironically isn't.

-di

Oak Kitten
04-07-2006, 04:58 PM
Dragonlady,

Thanks for the background. I rembember seeing that first commercial. It sounds like the UCC operates in a manner very similar to the Unitarian Universalist Association. My UU Church in Annapolis has achieved the status of a "Welcoming Congregation," for GLBT members. I don't know what percenatge of UU Churches nationwide are. Our church has also been set fire to on more than one occasion. Fortunately, the would-be arsonists are pretty inept. We are celebrating our 50th anniversary this year.

Oak

Bat
04-07-2006, 11:45 PM
I think the UU church here in Cinci, ST. John's, wrote the book on acceptance!...and nobody's about to burn it down, because it has the best acoustics in town, and MUSE sings and practices there. It seats about 350 people, with more if they're standing in the side room. I've seen it packed.

hoops
04-09-2006, 06:55 PM
loved both of those commercials, my dad didn't get em...totally over his fanatic head lol i guess you have to tell certain people which ones are the gay's and single mothers so they can hate them :)

dragonlady
04-10-2006, 10:40 PM
My pastor at our UCC church has recently made a personal statement to our Church Council and has decided to no longer sign marraige licenses any more. He will no longer be an agent for the State of Virginia to recognize one form of relationship as better and "legal" but not others. He will be glad to perform the religious ceremony of marraige but if you want the legalities afforded by the state you will have to see a justice of the peace for a second ceremony to get those papers signed.

The Church Council has not only backed him up but passed a policy stating that all marriages on church property will be only religious in nature. No marriage licenses will be signed on the premises.

This fits in with my view of marriage from the get go...there are civil rights given by the states that should be conveyed by a civil ceremony. There is a religious or sacred ceremony that you can take part in if you are person of faith and want to make that statement. But never the twain should meet as far as I'm concerned. The first clergy(man) that said "By the power vested in me by the state....messed the whole thing up right there. But we're stuck with it.

Until they switch it or stop disicriminating against one section of Americans, I think my pastor and my church is a very brave. When Jim announced his personal statement at the council meeting he brought me to tears right there...When the council passed their support of his personal statement and then the proposal he wrote for the church I was overwhelmed!

I'm very proud of my church and my pastor...and my denomination. They are all taking a stand for justice.

-di

Spence
04-15-2006, 09:06 PM
Funny picture:

dragonlady
04-17-2006, 07:24 PM
That's great!!! Thanks Spence!

-di

paularoid
04-18-2006, 01:53 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/paularoid/Misc/biblewarning.jpg

Marcia Drummergal
04-18-2006, 12:08 PM
Someone ought to take one of those warning labels and put it on every bible in every motel/hotel in the US. Not meaning to offend anybody.....

Marcia :rolleyes:

pulmike
04-18-2006, 11:27 PM
Sam Harris has written a ferocious attack on religion itself. He is particularly harsh towards religious moderation and tolerance. Its a startling read, absolutely facinating, and a serious intellectual challenge for those who believe in religious tolerance.

Its called The End of Faith.

pulmike

paularoid
04-19-2006, 03:52 PM
Sam Harris has written a ferocious attack on religion itself. He is particularly harsh towards religious moderation and tolerance. Its a startling read, absolutely facinating, and a serious intellectual challenge for those who believe in religious tolerance.

Its called The End of Faith.

pulmike
You should also check out/read "Theocons and Theocrats" by Kevin Phillips here:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060501/phillips

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